2 new versions are now on test and will be deployed soon:

1. Server changes, planned deployment by the next weekend
- Includes changes to the Match-Race umpiring (green button for nobody's pen)
- ELO for match-race solved
- Change to time-to-start thresholds for boats who are late
- Changes to RE for collisions with capsized boats

2. Boat changes, planned deployment in 15 days
- Added SPINNAKER (symetrical) to CATS.
This change will give us the pssibility to raise a small symetrical kite. It will give NO absolute advantage downwind in terms of VMG but will allow a dead-downwind course. Sailors will use it ONLY for tactical reasons.
- Added capsize to LASERS
Unlike the skiffs we'll have very clear rules for capsize in that case. We'll start with only one rule: in highwinds a gybe should only work if boat is fast otherwise the boat will capsize.


A.

Very realistic re: gybe at high speed only...it's a primary rule in heavy air...

yeah! Sailx goodies to try! Its kinda like Christmas!

I think cats should have assimetrycal spinnakers as they do in real sailing, there isn't any cat with a simetrycal spinnaker.

MacGregor World would disagree with you

U-G-L-Y

vintage 70's !!

This is how you fly a kite:

that looks scary

dum dum dum

Lets go fly a kite,
Up to the Highest hight,
Lets go fly a kite,
and send it soaring,

Up through the atmosphere,
Up where the air is clear,
Oh, let's go fly a kite
Let's go, fly a kite!

Nice pic fro! What I'd pay to be the guy doing the tarzan jump on the spin sheet! LOL

A : ever increasing an excellent game.

Agree with avedepaso. Asymmetric for cats (similar to a F18)...and maybe a potential whipe out or nose dive (specially when rounding of a windward mark) ?

SR : you had to dig deep, SR, really deep (into your archive)
Kaaskopje ??? Have to be Dutch to come up with that one.

NED.

Frodo wrote:
.This is how you fly a kite:

How is that in any way conforming to the laws of physics?

It doesn't look like he is on a halyard... so his entire weight is on the kite? And it doesn't look breeze on!

NED wrote:

Agree with avedepaso. Asymmetric for cats (similar to a F18)...and maybe a potential whipe out or nose dive (specially when rounding of a windward mark) ?

The purpose of SailX simulation is mainly to provide the challenges to the user and keep the playability and fun.
It is because of these reasons that sometimes we INTENTIONALLY introduce non-realistic features.
The symmetrical kite for cats is clearly non-realistic but will add more choices (tactical, non-handling related), the user is required now to decide the approach to the downwind gate or the finnish line, and he can do it with no worries about boat performance as we'll make sure that both options (sailing hot with no kite and DDW with the kite) will produce the same VMG.

A.

trim.on wrote:
.Frodo wrote:
.This is how you fly a kite:

How is that in any way conforming to the laws of physics?

It doesn't look like he is on a halyard... so his entire weight is on the kite? And it doesn't look breeze on!

Trim,

You are joking aren't you? Think of the speed increase in a a yacht of this size when a gust hits it kite up, imagine the weight of the yacht and realise the power in the kite! My Paraglider was nothing like the area of this kite and that supported quite a weight!

Power of the kite?

yeah but in that picture its flat calm!

aestela wrote:
.NED wrote:

Agree with avedepaso. Asymmetric for cats (similar to a F18)...and maybe a potential whipe out or nose dive (specially when rounding of a windward mark) ?

The purpose of SailX simulation is mainly to provide the challenges to the user and keep the playability and fun.
It is because of these reasons that sometimes we INTENTIONALLY introduce non-realistic features.
The symmetrical kite for cats is clearly non-realistic but will add more choices (tactical, non-handling related), the user is required now to decide the approach to the downwind gate or the finnish line, and he can do it with no worries about boat performance as we'll make sure that both options (sailing hot with no kite and DDW with the kite) will produce the same VMG.

A.


What about sailing hot with the kite up?

trim.on wrote:

What about sailing hot with the kite up?
Not yet decided but, probably, will be slower than kite-less. Otherwise there is no choice to do, you would always raise the kite.

A.

Yes...

What might happen is: people only use the kite for the last portion of the run, primarily to aid their rounding or entering the zone.

So you will sail the run as usual, then do a quick hoist and a quick drop to get that overlap or soak down in front of a boat... not very realistic?

That is only how I envisage it.

trim.on wrote:
.Yes...

What might happen is: people only use the kite for the last portion of the run, primarily to aid their rounding or entering the zone.

So you will sail the run as usual, then do a quick hoist and a quick drop to get that overlap or soak down in front of a boat... not very realistic?

That is only how I envisage it.

As I see it: after rounding the offset you decide if you want to go down thru the middle of the field or you see an advantage going one side or the other.
If a side is favored you dont use the kite.
If middle is favored you raise the kite.

During the run if there are some boat-boat close fight we will see different tactics using the two green-bar angles.

When approaching the gate or finish some extra decisions have to be made (as you pointed).

The similar-VMG approach will guarantee us that there is not a very clear advantage between the two configurations. Maybe after some real testing we can decide to penalize one of the two configurations if we see that there is definitely an advantage. We could also add some penalization to the raising/dropping action just to prevent people playing too much with it, or create a minimum constraint time between raise-drop or drop-raise.

A.

aestela wrote:
We could also add some penalization to the raising/dropping action just to prevent people playing too much with it

I like this idea.

I also like the chute idea for cats (only) as there is almost zero dw tactics or passing in cats as it stands now. That, combined with the fact that everyone whines about cats , so the boat is in need of a cool feature besides it being "superlative in its crappyness".

Nice ideas.

Regarding match race, It would be nice to have 270 penalties, no peanlties in the zone and also the rules for second penalty to be taken right away and third to be a dsq. Don't know it these changes are hard to apply but they shouldn't be.
Thanks,

Diego

How high/how much can one luff when having their kite up? What if Boat A is sailing DDW with kite and boat B luffs up without kite... how will Boat A avoid

Sailing_Rugger wrote:
.How high/how much can one luff when having their kite up? What if Boat A is sailing DDW with kite and boat B luffs up without kite... how will Boat A avoid

No idea.
It's like using a new boat, a boat we have no first-hand data.

A.

That is so awesome

optigiggles wrote:
. That is awesome!
.That is so awesome

opti, it's so awesome it needs to be said twice? You sure it isn't super-awesome?

trim.on wrote:
.yeah but in that picture its flat calm!Hmm. Maybe trim.on needs some lake sailing experience. The way I read the water in that picture is: 1) clearly over 3kts (no glassy spots); 2) under 8kts (not a single white cap); 3) probably over 5kts based on the wave heights (assuming they are mostly wind driven, not power boat reflections); so my best estimate is 6kts, trim.

If you mostly sail in sea breeze conditions with 25kts or more required before it's "fun", then I totally understand that picture qualifies as flat calm.
-PEB

Doesn't look like a lake to me!

And is 6 knots really enough to hold a human up?