Griffo is clear aster and doesn't keep clear. He gets a penalty for R12, altough the system registers R18.

Griffo enters the zone clear aster and doesn't give me room breaching also R18.

Then he protests abusing my guest rights.

I filed griffo's protest first and he asked for RAF, however i am not satisfied. He deserves red flag for that.


Definitely an R2 breach.

System Info:ap-o was given a pen at t=208 (RE:Rule 18 - Mark room (!)).    ap-o raised the P flag at=224.  ap-o span at t=234.    


pen: protestee
spin: none

I retired for the initial incident as I did not keep clear. I protested as we clearly were overlapped coming into the zone, hence not simply abusing ap-o's guest rights.

Half an hour later I receive an abusive and repulsive private message (image attached) and notification of the same incident being protested by ap-o.


Firstly, to accuse me of abusing his rights is absurd, but secondly I think it is simply unacceptable and disrespectful to send a message with such foul language, especially without being provoked. As I do not know this user and have not had any other incidents I am unsure on what other motive was used for this attack and definitely do not think there is a place for people who talk like that.

I believe further action should be taken due to the extremity of ap-o's actions.

Regards,
Griffo

Just to remind you lying in a protest room is a rule 69 offense.

That's an amazing lie! The message griffo presents is absolutely fake. I am not a graphic designer but i can easily create tens of such messages.

Griffo got a penalty for R12 and didn't spin, he didn't clear asap and entered the zone clear astern.

Griffo had no right to protest at all. IMO griffo had to spin twice, instead he protested abusing my guest rights and the entire sailx protest system.

On a second thought he deserves Black Flag.

OK. Lets take this step by step.
1. as this is a rule 2/69 case you probably won't be able to RAF.

2. t:209.1 griffo breaks rule 12, and breaks rule 11. And protests even after its was his penalty.This is a rule 2 offence as you abused someone on guest rights

3. ap-o where do I start with you. It doesn't matter what he did to you your not allowed to send offense PMs. Mods will probably rule this as a rule 69 and you will probally get black flag.

"REMEMBER BEFORE YOU PROTEST OR BEFORE YOU RIGHT A PM: LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOING, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DOING, AND THAN ACT." StRorch

Str is pretty much " On the Money" there.

Apo - I have a few questions for you-

-whats your story with the PM???

-What right did you have to send that with such abuse attached?

- Did this incident really make you that angry such that you needed to drop to that level ?

Ap-o if you are getting that angry that you need to take actions that involve abusive PM's to other users then you might want to concider spending your spare time doing something else that makes you happy....

I have spent a bit of time with Griffo on sailx and have not had any problems with his level of sportsmanship.

If you carried on like that down at your local sailing club after an incident on the water - what do you think would happen Ap-o???

Fairwind

Griffo is lying, i didn't send that message. If i wanted to fight with him i wouldn't file that protest again.

I have also seen griffo many times in the sailx field and he is experienced sailor and completely aware of the rules. This only proves that he protested to avoid spinning. Note that he didn't file his protest.

Even if i had sent that, it has nothing to do with the sailing field and the protest room. It ads nothing to griffo's defence and its outrageous and childish to even bring that to the protest room.

Fairwind, nothing would have happen for a "verbal fight" in my local sailing club if this had taken place outside the water, outside the protest room, many hours after the end of the races and in a private manner.

I propose ap-o to be IP banned. Aside from attempting to cover up his ill-fated PM, he then continues to condone it as acceptable activity in the first place. What is childish and outrageous is his attitude.

OK FROM NOW ON WHEN YOU WRITE ANYTHING TINK ABOUT IT, WRITE IT, THINK ABOUT AGAIN, AND THAN POST.

Lying in protest room is a gross rule 69.

www.sailx.com/forum/19-protests/115900-a...853619aussep07-6-r12

Why was this filled twice? griffo already RAFed but should get two -100s and there are two incidents.

Assume i had his cellphone number and sent him that message.
What it has to do with the sailing field and the protest?

By sending it to him as a PM on the website you have broken the website's code of conduct which you agreed to when registering.

As its abuse of other users and that ins NOT allowed on sailx. Its as simple as that. You can be protested by RC for anything abuse you do on sailx. On the field, in protest room, or in PM as example.

No problem, if you believe that i should be banned, i 'll accept it. I still believe that PM's are private and its irrelevant to that protest.

You should be careful with that because privacy is a serious issue. If this evidence is accepted, others might also present such falsified accusations.

At the bottom of the line, griffo brought nothing for his defense in the room. He abused the system with complete awareness of what he did.

The PM is not 'protestable' as it does not break any RRS... however, it is a clear violation of the code of conduct you agreed to when joining the website of SailX.com... entirely irrelevant to any activities within the sailing fields themselves (which are bound ADDITIONALLY by the RRS).

At the bottom line, as was already pointed out, griffo has already RAF'd for this incident and has properly addressed the situation by bringing the PC's attention to a 100% inappropriate and inexcusable PM sent by yourself.

Privacy is a serious issue but so is respect, inappropriate and rude behavior and language, and (constant) denial of obvious failure to abide by common sense.

Its not private as this was disclosed my the receiver. I would understand if this was not disclosed my the sender or receiver but this is not the case.

Stroch what u say makes no sense at all. A private message is always a private message.

The most pathetic in this discussion is that griffon brings something completely irrelevant for his defense and gets the attention away from what should be the most important. That is he got two penalties and protested another boat with guest rights. In simple terms he intentionally breached R2.

Further i was kind enough not to file the protest under R2 and griffon instead of explaining his action (at least with the same explainations he could easily find in the field) he declares RAF. He deserves at least red flag rights.

Griffon should not bring this to the protest room, but if he is offended, he should talk to an administrator so as to examine the situation and do what he has to do.

Griffro has the full right to post any evidence to the case.

I propose the following:
Griffro Two RAFs -200 (One is already been given to him on the copy protest) and Rule 2 for guest abuse.
ap-o rule 69 for for gross abuse of other sailors.

Ok, I'm coming in on this now.

1. ap-o, you filed this twice. Why? The first one, griffo RAF'd.
2. griffo breaks Rule 12.
3. ap-o, allow me to remind you: Attempting to get away with lying to us is like trying to get beef out of a sheep. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. So don't even attempt it.
- Your account can be checked and we can find out any PM that you send. This would be done in the case of reported abuse.
- You repeatedly said that griffo is "lying" where in fact, you were the one lying.
- You sent griffo an abusive, vulgar PM, which would not be accepted on ANY website, except a site that deals with the "things" you wish to do in said PM...

ap-o wrote:
Griffon should not bring this to the protest room, but if he is offended, he should talk to an administrator so as to examine the situation and do what he has to do.
No reason NOT to bring this to the protest room, especially as it is related to this protest. Well, now he has reported it, and you, to the proper authorities, and we will deal with you now.
For your stupid, immature pm, you have earned yourself, any other accounts and your IP-addresses Black Flag Rights.

Well done.

In regard to ap-o's insults by PM:

The Admin and Moderators will always review a R2 or R69 incident no matter when or where it occurs on sailx, whether it happens on the sailing field or by PM. In this case because it is a matter of not complying or abiding by the Sailx Code of Conduct and the legally binding User Agreement we will deal with ap-o's insulting PM in the Mods Forum.

ap-o - you have been put on immediate Black Flag Restricted Rights and your future on sailx will be decided in the Moderators Forum by the Web Site Administrators.

EDIT:

I have just re-read this whole thread and protest and did not realise that this is a duplicate protest that has already been closed by RAF.

So we will just close as ruled and add that a thread has been opened in the Mods forum to discuss what to do with ap-o's account, which will be up to the web site Administrators.

Aloha!