dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin (1 viewing) (1) Guest
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TOPIC: dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin
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dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 18:22 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Hi all,
fin7181 did not keep clear as windward boat, and did not spin asap.
Regards
Don
System Info:dOn_nOb raised the P flag at=204.
pen: protestee
spin: none
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 18:37 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Don Nob did not leave me time to react - luffed very fast just before the hit. Barging. Rule 15 applies.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 18:40 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Hi Fin,
R15 is only about "acquiring ROW". Don has ROW for some time before changing course so R15 does not apply to him, he initially (at first) gave Room.
Can you let us know what rule does apply to Don and what rules apply to you?
Aloha!
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Okole
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Last Edit: 2012/07/09 18:46 By Okole.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 18:45 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Hi Okole,
Happy to see you here again.
**Please note there was 2 secs from luff to collision, and i used "spacebar" to perform the luff.
Regards
Don
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 19:34 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Right, thank you. Rule 16.1. should apply then.
He luffed first just a bit, no need to avoid him then (I need not to move before needed to) and then he hit space, which luffed so fast that I could not react.
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Last Edit: 2012/07/09 19:35 By fin7181.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 19:41 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Hi Fin,
Using Spacebar to luff is considered a slow luff on sailx.
Room - The space a boat needs in the existing
conditions while manoeuvring promptly in a seamanlike way.
Don starts luffing towards you at t=198.5.
You don't start acting until t=199.9.
Is that "manoeuvring promptly" ?
(promptly = without delay)
Aloha!
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Okole
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Last Edit: 2012/07/09 19:42 By Okole.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/09 20:44 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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I avoided as fast as I could. There is no way that I could have avoided contact. He eased close to me and then hit space bar. If that's allowed, I stand corrected and will start using the same tactics as well. No way to avoid that.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/11 07:43 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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One second.. I think that's promptly.
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/11 07:49 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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closer to 1 1/2 seconds.
On sailx all it takes is hitting the up arrow to luff quickly when required to keep clear.
Test yourself here: getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html
Normal human reaction times are around 0.3 of a second to hit a key.
On sailx we give users about 0.8 of a second to react and hit a key to start keeping clear.
You do nothing for 1.4 seconds. That is a delay.
The dictionary definition of Promptly means "without delay".
You delay your actions to keep clear by not acting promptly.
Decision:
fin7181 breaks R11 does not exonerate so gets a DSQ
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Re:dOn_nOb vs. fin7181 (R11, R44.2) L1-euro_1341853228_Weekly_4_Jul09 [3] Clearly R11, R44.2 delay spin 2012/07/11 09:00 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Hi all,
Thanks, think this is a fair judge.
Regards
Don
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Standard Procedure (dOn_nOb vs. fin7181) 2012/07/11 19:05 (10 Months, 2 Weeks ago)
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Preliminary period ends, no aggreement. Protest enters the Protest Room standard procedure.
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Protest_System
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