Nacho gains ROW at 7 at least in part by his own actions. He fails to give jfleet room to keep clear as JFleet has nowhere to go. Jfleet keeps sails sheeted in which is only means of keeping clear (to head up would have swung stern into nacho) but contact still occurs. Jfleet spins to exonerate

Hi Jfleet,

Sheeting out is not an action consistent with keeping clear.

Your sheeting out caused nacho to sail so close to your stern that contact occurs when either boat changes course. The onus is on you to to give him the space to steer his course without him having to avoid you.(pls see definition of keep clear) Sheeting out is not keeping clear.

Aloha!

Okole,
At the time of my sheet out, I was not the keep clear boat. This is why I sheeted in immediately after Nacho gained leeward overlap and ROW

Jfleet wrote:
.Okole,
At the time of my sheet out, I was not the keep clear boat. This is why I sheeted in immediately after Nacho gained leeward overlap and ROW

Hi Jfleet,

I do see you luff and break the overlap and therefore become ROW boat as per R12.

Facts:
Jfleet luffs, breaks nacho's leeward overlap and acquires ROW as per rule 12.
Jfleet as ROW boat sheets out and slows his boat.
nacho obtains a leeward overlap and ROW because of Jfleet sheeting out and slowing his boat.
nacho acquires ROW because of the other boat's actions. (Jfleet's actions)
Therefore rule 15 does not apply in this incident and nacho does not have to initially give Jfleet room to keep clear.

Jfleet - nacho acquires ROW because you sheet out your sails and your boat slows down. If you had not sheeted out you your boat would not have lost speed and you would have stayed clear ahead ROW boat.

Rule 15 does not apply - protest dismissed

Aloha!

Explained a different way...

IF Jfleet had not sheeted out then both boats would have had similar boat speeds. nacho might have, or might not have, obtained a leeward overlap because both boats would have been sheeted in and sailing steady courses at consistent and similar speeds. And also because Jfleet's windshadow might have slowed nacho preventing him for obtaining a leeward overlap.

IF nacho had obtained a leeward overlap without Jfleet sheeting out he would have likely obtained it (and ROW) by his own actions i.e. By just by overtaking Jfleet who is sailing along at a similar speed and course.

BUT in this incident Jfleet dumps his sails for a moment, killing his boats speed.

1) When Jfleet sheets out his own boat's speed drops drastically.

2) nacho obtains a leeward overlap as a direct result of this drop in Jfleet's boat speed because of Jfleet sheeting out his sails.


Question: Why did nacho acquire ROW?

Answer: Because Jfleet sheets out and slows his boat.

Result: ROW was acquired by the other boat's actions. Rule 15 does not apply. Because R15 is not applying, even though nacho is overtaking boat, he does not have to initially give Jfleet room to keep clear.

Lesson learned: When you are a clear ahead, windward, ROW boat - Don't sheet out and slow down and allow the keep clear leeward boat to obtain a leeward overlap as a result of your sheeting out. Because you will be giving up ROW by your own actions (he will be acquiring ROW because of the other boats actions) thus turning off R15.

Aloha!

I disagree.

Reasons posted tomorrow

Puma is lazy but he will post his reasons later today

Puma sent me a message via text with what his argument against Okole's ruling would be. He will be back at his computer tonight and will verify that these are his words and that I am not pretending to speak on his behalf.

This situation is not readily answered by the RRS (somebody correct me if I am wrong). Since it is not stipulated how Nacho became RoW : through his own actions or that of JFleet; we are presented with a Chicken or the Egg dilemma.

Now COLREGS (Internation Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea) states (13) that an overtaking boat must keep well clear over the boat being overtaken. This idea also seems to be the approach most people have taken when deciding rule 15 situations in racing.



This essentially means that since nacho is the overtaking boat, he is obligated to allow me room to keep clear

As already explained it is 100% clear how nacho's overlap was obtained .

nacho's overlap might not have even occurred if Jfleet had not sheeted out.

The overlap and acquisition of ROW is solely a result of Jfleet sheeting out so R15 does not apply.

IMHO COLREGS are not really required here.

Aloha!

In my opinion the overlap and acquisition are solely the result of Nacho sailing close hauled

Puma
Jfleet broke the overlap

Then Jfleet sheeted out and a new overlap was obtained.

If Jfleet had not sheeted out there would not have been a new overlap...

Protest closed as ruled.

Jfleet has requested that the protest be reopened so he can submit new evidence and discuss this incident further.

Enjoy!

I am presenting this old protest as precedence for this case and new evidence

www.sailx.com/forum/19-protests/63723-tr11#63871

Protest closed as unresolved.