misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port
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TOPIC: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port
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misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/15 23:14 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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He make a big collision and make Flash change the course hitting me.
that was a bit hard to know in the race but I spun after that.
System Info:misailingteam raised the P flag at=135.
pen: protester
spin: protester
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Audaz
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/16 06:26 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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Hi misailingteam,
In what way does mirrorking gain an advantage by his rule breach?
In what way do you think he broke R44.1.b?
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Okole
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Last Edit: 2012/06/16 06:27 By Okole.
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/16 07:47 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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hi
wrong rule...
but i think from memory its 64.1C, when one boat breaks a rule making another break a rule, the second boat is excused
go to go
mk
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/16 15:36 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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Yes it's true R44.1(b) say that Okole sorry for file a wrong rule but...
mirrorking collision make Flash change his course fastest and I haven't got time to avoid right?
Flash broke R16.1 but he should be exonerated by rule 64.1(c) ?
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Audaz
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/16 20:35 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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Yes exactly!
Flash does nothing, but is bumped up into you by MK when MK breaks R10, so, yes Flash changed course and breaks R16.1, but was compelled (forced) to do so by MK breaking R10, so R64.1.c can exonerate Flash.
Aloha!
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Okole
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/16 22:39 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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is there a change to the race with this outcome?
i spun, misailingteam did too.
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Last Edit: 2012/06/16 22:40 By mirrorking.
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Re: misailingteam vs. mirrorking (R44.1(b)) E1-euro_1339786826_Dublin2012_3IV_Jun15 [2] mirror comes in port 2012/06/17 21:33 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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Decision:
mirrorking breaks R10 and spins to exonerate - protest dismissed
misailingteam breaks R16.1 but was compelled to do so by MK breaking R10 so gets exonerated by R64.1.c.
Aloha!
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Okole
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Last Edit: 2012/06/17 21:33 By Okole.
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Play By The Rules - The RRS in many different languages.
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Standard Procedure (misailingteam vs. mirrorking) 2012/06/18 00:05 (11 Months, 1 Week ago)
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Preliminary period ends, no aggreement. Protest enters the Protest Room standard procedure.
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