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jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting
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jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/24 15:50 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
This is an interesting situation.

Sailor14416 has a port/starboard incident with Bricks, giving Sailor14416 a penalty. Sailor14416 decides to spin for the penalty in the zone of one of the downwind gates. Meanwhile, I'm coming downwind.

Sailor14416 finishes the spin at 144.6 (see screen shot).

Rule 18 applies, as we're both required to leave the mark on the same side and we're both in the zone.

Collision occurs at 146.1.

I would argue that Rule 18.2(a) applies: When boats are overlapped the outside boat shall give the inside boat mark-room, unless rule 18.2(b) applies.

But I'm not sure. There's also an argument under Rule 15, 16.1, and failure to properly exonerate.

Best of luck,

Jim Clark-Dawe

System Info:jclarkdawe raised the P flag at=153.  


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Re: jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/24 21:43 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I was watching sailor14416 yesterday and warned him about protest system abuse, and even awayed him from a race for protesting when he clearly broke a rule.

We can see here that sailor14416 clearly breaks rule 10 with the starboard ROW boat Bricks, but sailor14416 hails protest?

I would like to hear why sailor14416 protests Bricks and the RC here?
I have sent sailor14416 a PM to attend this now rule 2 hearing.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/24 22:14 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I had wondered about his protest of Bricks, but didn't know his history. It also didn't help me in that I'm really not sure what rights I had to the mark. Very strange angles to work with.

I did receive a copy of your PM.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/24 22:20 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Whether Sailor14416 owes you Mark-Room is a good question.
You will have to look at R18.2.a, R18.2.b, and R18.2.c.

Rule 15 also applies to Sailor14416.

Maybe it would be helpful to write out a timeline and apply each rule so we can see when rights change?

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/24 23:54 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 00:28 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Because Sailor14416 goes head-to-wind, Rule 18.2(c) ceases to apply to Sailor14416. I do not owe Sailor14416 any mark room because of this. However, even though Sailor14416 doesn't get any mark room, do I? Under Rule 11, as windward boat, I have to stay clear. (I definitely violate Rule 11 here.)

If I look at Rule 18.2(b), that applies when Sailor14416 first reaches the zone, I have to keep clear, because I am clear astern when Sailor14416 arrives in the zone. Of course, Sailor14416 stays quite awhile in the zone, spinning. In the process of spinning, Sailor14416 did establish an overlap with my boat, as well as every other boat in the fleet.

That left me with Rule 18.2(a), which I can't say I'm happy with.

Rule 15, if we apply it from when Sailor14416 goes onto close-hauled course, which he did remain on, then the screen shot shows that I've got enough room to clear Sailor14416 by going astern of Sailor14416. My only argument under Rule 15 is whether I could figure out Sailor14416's course, which had just consisted of doing a 360 degree circle. Hard to figure out where he's going to come out of it.

I almost dumped this protest, because I think I violate Rule 11 and that's it. (I also hit the mark, but I spin for both the mark and the collision.)

Best of luck,

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 01:43 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I never left the zone so you never had room. The overlap you established doesn't matter because I had already entered the zone. Overlap applies when the first boat enters. I also don't understand why I have a restriction on my account for this protest? I protested bricks because I was clearing his bow and when he was half a boat length away he planed off and hit me. I didn't know if this constituted a "course change" where he would have needed to have given me room to keep clear (which I was not given), but I spun anyway. I also would like to point out that I am just trying to casually play this game and get hosed by stupid system-generated penalties and this was an instance where I was just fed up with the penalty system in this game.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 02:16 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Okole turned this into a Rule 2 protest because you clearly break Rule 10 and protest the other boat. Rule 16.1, which deals with a change of course, does not deal with a change of speed. It is your responsibility to allow enough room so that the other boat can clear in your situation with Bricks.

This was apparently after Okole had warned you about abusing the protest system. Hence you're on restriction until you can convince Okole that you had a good reason to protest both Bridges and the Race Committee here.

This is a tactical racing simulator, designed for learning the rules of sailing. It is designed to award more penalties then you'd ever see in a real race. The community averages 5.9 fouls per hour.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 02:39 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
And after Sailor14416's response, I'm going to change my response a bit.

I was willing to accept responsibility for not seeing the course change that Sailor14416 was making, assuming that Sailor14416 was inexperienced. However, it appears from his response that he is not inexperienced. As the boat changing course, Sailor14416 needs to give me room to respond. Here it is not clear at the time when Sailor14416 was done changing course. As an experienced sailor, Sailor14416 should have known that it would be very difficult for me to determine when Sailor14416 had settled onto a course and what that course was.

RYA 2008/4 establishes that the right-of-way boat (Sailor14416) has the positive burden to show that he provided me with room to avoid.

The protest committee did decide that 'it was not conclusively proven that A Boen gave X Factor room to keep clear under rule 15.’ That must mean that she did not give room. Rule 15 puts a positive obligation on a right-of-way boat. It is for her to show that she gave sufficient room. As she was not able to do so, A Boen broke rule 15 and X Factor is to be exonerated for not keeping clear. If in fact the contact occurred from clear astern, while A Boen was required by rule 12 to keep clear, then A Boen broke rule 12 shortly before the collision, and in avoidably colliding with X Factor, she then broke rule 14.

A Boen v X Factor , Royal Temple Yacht Club


Instead, it is clear from Sailor14416's response that he intentionally planned to cut off my course to the mark, despite the fact that he had just completed a spin, making it impossible for me to figure out what his course would be. This despite the fact that it is his responsibility to make sure I have room to avoid him.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 07:50 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
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.I never left the zone so you never had room. The overlap you established doesn't matter because I had already entered the zone. Overlap applies when the first boat enters. I also don't understand why I have a restriction on my account for this protest? I protested bricks because I was clearing his bow and when he was half a boat length away he planed off and hit me. I didn't know if this constituted a "course change" where he would have needed to have given me room to keep clear (which I was not given), but I spun anyway. I also would like to point out that I am just trying to casually play this game and get hosed by stupid system-generated penalties and this was an instance where I was just fed up with the penalty system in this game.
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Where to start....

1) Bricks does not change course - watch the replay with Bricks selected. If Bricks did change course the system would have given him a penalty for rule 16.1. Bricks breaks no rule. You were not keeping clear.

You are on port and he is on starboard. You do not Keep Clear. You break rule 10. This is very obvious and clear to everyone. Yet you hail protest? You have absolutely no reason to hail protest against bricks or against the RC. NONE...
So your protest hail is in clear violation of the principles of good sportsmanship and fair play, by protesting when you so clearly break rule 10 with bricks.


2) We can all see in the replay that you enter the zone clear ahead of jclarkdawe at t=133.5. Then we can all see you clearly leave the zone at t=135.8. So Rule 18.2.c turns off R18.2.b and Jclarkdawe no longer owes you Mark-Room. Then you re-enter the zone at t=138.8 and Jclarkdawe is overlapped inside of you, so you owe Jclarkdawe mark-room thereafter according to rule 18.2.b. We can then see you not give Jim any Mark-Room, so you clearly break R18.2.b.


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You clearly break rule 10 with bricks and protest for what rule I have no idea.
You clearly owe Jim Mark-Room and break R18.2.b.
From what you write here it is clear that you are familiar with the rules of sailing.
It is time for you to start sailing by those rules.
If you can't sail by the rules, then you simply cannot sail here on sailx.

Decision:
Sailor14416 breaks R10 does not comply with R44.2, abuses the protest system in breach of R2, breaks R18.2.b and does not exonerate, so gets a DSQ, -300 points for each rule broken and 2WBFR.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 17:45 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Okole, thank you for the ruling.

I see what you mean by Sailor14416 leaving the zone. I doubt this situation is going to come up very often.

Best of luck,

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 18:36 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I don't know what you want me to say? Apparently a rules mistake makes me appear like I'm gunning for you? Thats ridiculous, I'm sorry I thought I was in the circle clear ahead and clearly spun in the circle. I forgot that coming in from below meant everyone was overlapped because I entered so far ahead of you. I don't feel like this is such a breach that I should be banned from the game. I didn't know that the foul average was 6 and hour, I thought it was ridiculous that I was getting all these fouls and didn't know that that is the case for everyone else too. In the future I will try to attend more hearings and follow through with my own protests more. I always protest the race committee when I protest another player because I thought that was how you argue the foul in this game. It seemed that when I protested the race committee it would sometimes transfer the penalty without the other player pressing T. It is my experience that nobody ever presses T when they are wrong and that is extremely frustrating. I try to push the rules to sail fast and do well and I have a lot of fun playing this game. I will tone down the protesting and stop protesting the race committee. I don't know what else I can say. Its going to be thanksgiving break tomorrow and I'd really like to be able to play. I think getting my account restricted for 2 weeks for the first protest I've ever lost is kind of ridiculous. I messed up and apologize for the initial protest of the race committee and the other boat, I was frustrated. The second incident was an honest mistake where I thought he did not have room. Please take the hold off of my account.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 18:50 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Sailor14416,

The computer system is correct 96% of the time.
You should just get well clear ASAP and spin.
Then if you are really sure of the rules and think the RE has made a mistake, only then hail protest.
Then you MUST review and submit that protest later if needed and your are still sure you are right.

Otherwise DO NOT HAIL PROTEST.
The System is right 96% of the time, so you have most likely broken a rule.
Just get WELL clear as soon as you possibly can, and then spin.

Your account restriction is for your bad sportsmanship and unfair sailing in this incident.
Nothing else.

If you open any new accounts all will be closed and you will be banned from sailx completely.
I have already closed your 2 new accounts. Do not open any more.

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:06 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
What?! I have not opened any new accounts? How do you determine that because you are wrong.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:07 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I have access to your account and can see you have opened 2 accounts on your IP addresses since you were black flagged.

Look Sailor14416 - if you are not going to acknowledge your poor sportsmanship, apologise and reassure us that you do as requested, maybe we would all be better off just kicking you off sailx and banning your IP addresses from accessing the web site. Less work for the Mods and the other users will be protected from your abuse of the protest system when you clearly break rules?

Are you willing to behave like a gentleman or should we remove you from sailx?

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:10 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Also, like I said I will just spin from now on, but to say it was unsportsmanlike to shut someone out that I honestly did not think had room is unfair. And in real time I protested Brick because I believed I was clearing, but when he planed off and I lost plane there was nothing I could do and I thought that was a foul. I was wrong. But the accounts accusation is insulting and utterly ridiculous. I have done no such thing, so you have probably unjustly banned two people that were just trying to join. I have too much time in this account to give it up and do not have any interest in starting over just to forget about a penalty that was an honest mistake.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:12 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I am being 100% honest about not trying to open new accounts. Maybe I opened my first account on my home computer at my parents house. I have two younger brothers that might be trying to play.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:15 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I also admitted and apologized for my unsportsmanlike behavior in the first incident stating, "that I was frustrated." I do not believe the second one was unsportsmanlike because I honestly believed he did not have room.

And again I cannot stress enough that I am most certainly NOT trying to open new accounts. You are mistaken and if I am banned because of your mistake that is unacceptable. I admitted to being unsportsmanlike and if I have to sit two weeks I will accept that. But I will NOT accept the false accusation that I am trying to create new accounts. You are wrong on that account.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 19:27 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
Also my university shares an IP address and lots of kids on my University Sailing Team are creating accounts because it is becoming popular on our team. It is very possible that 2 people on our team of almost 50 have created accounts in the last two days because we just had a regatta and all played on Saturday night. You are being extremely judgmental and accepting everything I say as a complete lie because of 2 honest mistakes. I think you should be embarrassed to have been so biased. I apologized and you sent me a response saying that I needed to apologize or be banned for life? Then falsely accused me of creating new accounts and called me a liar when I defended myself. You should be the one apologizing for failing to maintain an impartial stance on the application of the rules that govern my favorite sport. I am a sailing competing to do my best and pushing the rules and making mistakes is part of the game. I admitted my bad sportsmanship in this case and said that I was definitely going to let up on the protesting. It is your job to remain impartial and call it as you see it. It is NOT your job to make decisions regarding my moral compass over something as trivial as a video game protest. Do what you will. I have attempted to apologize and admit my faults and state that I will change my action. I did not create new accounts. I am sorry but you are wrong.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 20:05 (9 Months, 4 Weeks ago)  
I would like to request a RAF after finishing this discussion. I am waiting to clear my name of false accusations.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 22:19 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
Sailor14416 -- First off, let me suggest you start breaking your posts up by using the return key, with a space between each paragraph. I don't know how old Okole is, but your blocks of text are hard on my old eyes. The easier it is for someone to read something, the more likely they are to get the point.

When I was your age, I could handle big blocks of text without a problem, but these days? Not so well, which means I'm more likely to skim, which means I can miss something.

Black flag restriction isn't a major hassle in life. It isn't even a major hassle on SailX, as many people who went through long periods of it have found out. Almost always, the top finishers in a race will be those sailors who sailed clean, avoiding problems. That's what black flag forces you to do.

And even starting behind every else, I'm frequently able to get top ten positions because of staying clean, and letting other people screw up. I've seen some sailors ending up in the top 20 overall of the fleet on black flag, so it isn't as bad a thing as you imagine.

So you're telling us that you share ISP addresses in several situations. But whose problem is that? Let's take a look at your college team. If your entire team gets banned, who's going to be responsible and have to deal with the anger of your team?

Now if I was concerned about my college team, I'd go to my coach and confess to messing up. Warn the other people of your team of what might happen. Of course, if you've been a problem for your team, they might use this to tank you. Same with your brothers.

A lot of good judgment comes from mistakes. Smart person uses his mistakes to help the others around him avoid the same thing. And also uses them to show personal growth.

The approach you're taking isn't working. I can feel you hitting your head against the computer in frustration that your message isn't getting through. What I'm not seeing is you sitting back and thinking, "This ain't working, maybe it's time to try something different."

Maybe the best thing you can do for yourself at this point is accept the disqualifications and the black flag, tell yourself how mean and nasty we are (but don't bother to tell us), and move on, knowing that the black flag will come down in a bit if you stay clean.

Best of luck,

Jim Clark-Dawe
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 23:22 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
1. I've accepted the black flag and disqualifications.

2. I sailed with black flag today and had all top 5's so that isn't the issue.

3. I'm trying to prevent the unjust blocking of an entire university from playing this game.

4. I'm being attacked morally by a supposedly impartial judge on false grounds.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 23:41 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
For an entire university there are very few user accounts on all your IP addresses. That does seem strange so I wouldn't worry about that if I were you.

This is a privately owned web site which you are using completely free of charge and means it is not a democracy. Mods have a great deal of power, just like a referee in a football match. It is best not to argue too much because it can only have one outcome. As with all sports the referees (mods) decision is final.

My advice to you is to stop attacking the referee and accept his decision.

Sailx's main purpose, first and foremost, is a rules and tactics trainer. It can only work if everyone obeys the rules. We restrict accounts for people who do not obey the rules because it spoils it for all those that do. It may seem harsh but it works.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 23:53 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
So you're suggesting that I just say that I created the accounts to get this guy off my back?
What does that teach?

And as a MOD there is the responsibility of remaining impartial and looking at all testimonies, which is the point i'm trying to make. Ie, not making up your mind and then crucifying someone who is trying to apologize and admit they were wrong.

I am so done with this, I am sorry but if this is how we represent the sport of sailing, I am grossly disappointed.
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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/25 23:54 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
Sailor14416 wrote:
.1. I've accepted the black flag and disqualifications. Great. So we'll take that off the table.

2. I sailed with black flag today and had all top 5's so that isn't the issue. Congratulations!

3. I'm trying to prevent the unjust blocking of an entire university from playing this game. I've given you an approach. Okole and Aestela (who owns the site) are very happy to work with coaches. You can even set up a private race course for just your college.

Seriously, coaches are for more then yelling at you to do better. They're great for working with other people and representing you. Most coaches I know are more then happy to help their players out in a variety of ways.


4. I'm being attacked morally by a supposedly impartial judge on false grounds. Let me ask you some questions. I'll tell you in advance you're not going to like the answers, but it's the best way I know of for confronting this type of issue. But it does require you to be honest with yourself. (You don't have to tell anyone the answers.)

A. Did Okole know you before you arrived on SailX?

B. Does Okole know you from any place other then SailX?

C. Do most of the other sailors on SailX seem able to work with him?

D. What information does Okole have to base his opinion of you on?


Let me answer these questions for you from my prospective.

A. Did Okole know you before you arrived on SailX? Only knowledge I have of you is what you have provided in this protest and one race.

B. Does Okole know you from any place other then SailX? No.

C. Do most of the other sailors on SailX seem able to work with him? I don't seem to get complaints, have never been on restriction, and very rarely get protested.

D. What information does Okole have to base his opinion of you on? I'm not going to go into detail, but using the information from this protest and the one race, I would not hire you for any position, no matter how good you are. (Yes, I've hired people and fired them.) If you want me to expand on this I will, but only via a PM.

Best of luck,

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Re:jclarkdawe vs. Sailor14416 (Rule 18) L1_1385262953_F-1385262953593 [1] Interesting 2013/11/26 09:03 (9 Months, 3 Weeks ago)  
Sailor14416,

We are grossly disappointed in you.
Now you want an RAF...?
You are kidding right?

Based on the replay you cheated. You hailed protest when you had absolutely no grounds whatsoever to hail protest.
You clearly and obviously broke rule 10.
You should be ashamed of yourself for your blatant poor sportsmanship.

All I have is the replay.
So based on the information in the replay I have made a ruling based on the ISAF RRS.
Now you insult me calling me biased?
4 weeks black flag will be applied to your account for posting an insult at a race official in breach of rule 2.

Now please go and read rule 3.
Then please send me a PM regarding it's content.
You have 24hrs.

If you do not send the requested PM regarding rule 3 within 24hrs, I will close all your accounts and ban your IP addresses from sailx. Your friends can blame your poor sportsmanship, your cheating and now your insults if they cannot use sailx because of you.

I look forward to getting your PM regarding rule 3.

Aloha!



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